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Topic You People 
Author Agnostic 
Date Created 27/12/2003 01:02:59 
Message You people, not meaning Muslims, but rather the people who access this site, are psychopaths. Just reading the comments you have made is disgusting. No God would ever support you. 
      
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Topic Re: You People 
Author lea 786 
Date Created 05/03/2004 00:02:35 
Message more like the comments you have made all over this site under different names, one day you will be punished and one day you will see, keep sinning and may you get the best reward available to your kind! 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author noura miraby 
Date Created 05/03/2004 12:51:04 
Message Thank you ...May God Bless you... 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author general surfer 
Date Created 11/05/2004 23:58:38 
Message I think that the correct version of your unnecessary shouting is as below. Perhaps you were in a hurry. lolz

"We people. (not meaning Muslims) but the others who access this site, are psychopaths. Just reading the comments you have made is disgusting. ALLAAH will never support you." 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author liloldme 
Date Created 30/05/2004 03:57:33 
Message Peace
slow down!what's with all this mud-slinging? ah! now i see why there is so much chaos in the world. hmm, Agnostic has every right to feel sick of the contents of this site... but must give the reason as well. might be that Agnostic is justified in feeling so, i mean, if Agnostic browses to see what's going on and all that is there is a lot of abuse between the participants of the forum, then that is somewhat disgusting. anyways, try to ignore that sort of childishness, and Agnostic , please refrain from calling others by name at least, even if that IS how you feel. 'coz hatred only breeds hatred. Ummm, and another thing; it is for God alone to support whoever God likes. Peace? :)  
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author liloldme 
Date Created 30/05/2004 03:57:33 
Message Peace
slow down!what's with all this mud-slinging? ah! now i see why there is so much chaos in the world. hmm, Agnostic has every right to feel sick of the contents of this site... but must give the reason as well. might be that Agnostic is justified in feeling so, i mean, if Agnostic browses to see what's going on and all that is there is a lot of abuse between the participants of the forum, then that is somewhat disgusting. anyways, try to ignore that sort of childishness, and Agnostic , please refrain from calling others by name at least, even if that IS how you feel. 'coz hatred only breeds hatred. Peace? :)  
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author steve 
Date Created 29/07/2005 16:48:21 
Message Psycopaths? more like suicide bombers (lemmings...) 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author Naufal Zamir 
Date Created 29/07/2005 23:34:57 
Message I think Agnostic has a valid point.

This is my first day and I have one simple advice. I do not wish to return here.

Assalamualaikum

There is a lot of misunderstanding about Islam. If people really sincerely wish to know what is Islam they have to have an open mind and try to search the TRUTH.

Islam cannot be learnt from Orientalists. Neither can Quran be understood by simple reading of it. There is a method to understand Quran. A little learning becomes dangerous when it comes to self-interpretation of Quran.

I think rather than getting bogged down with details or Islam which may or may not have different opinions, which neither proves or disproves anything - one who really wants to know Islam should ask -

Does God/Allah exist?
If God exist then is it rationally possible to believe the three in one stereo player theory or monotheism is the only plausible understanding?
If Allah/God exist then has He communicated to us?
If He has then which one is the authentic communication?
Are there Proofs that Quran is the word of Allah?
What are the proofs that Quran is still intact and preserved they way it was sent by Allah?

Looking at this website may help - www.harunyahya.com, there are lot more similar... just giving an example.

These are the basic questions rather than taking extracts from Quran without knowing or understanding the reason for revealation and history of that extract.

If the whole idea of having this group is hypocritical i.e. to allow Non-Muslims to denounce Islam - then May Allah help the owner of this website to become enlightened from ignorance. 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author Jackie 
Date Created 03/08/2005 06:01:27 
Message Isn`t all this religious Love, Peace and cross-denomination extending of hands wonderful?
What always strikes me as amazing, is that when someone questions someones book of holy hooey, someone pipes up and says ,"No, no, no,Thats not what it means". "You need to have studied it under the light of a blue moon in the August of a leap year while wearing spotted boxer shorts ,rakishly over your left eye". "This is the only way true understanding of the sacred texts can be gained".
Please,correct me if I`m wrong, however, aren`t there wahabi moslems,shi`ite moslems and sunni moslems? There are also catholic, presbyterian and baptist christians. You have ashkenazi, sephardic and mizrahi jews. Even you god botherers can`t agree with the exact meaning of things!
Where all of you make your mistakes, is that you are trying to read some divine meaning into things that were written by a bunch of iron age control freaks with the purpose`s of controling the masses and attain self -agrandizement!
Now, while you can forgive people who needed reasons for why the sun appeared to be not as effective for half a year , why the crops failed or the non-appearance of Santa. We now know that the Sun doesn`t set in a muddy puddle, that Ants can`t talk, that Bat`s aren`t birds and the meek, to this pont in time, haven`t inherited the earth.
What Is horribly fascinating is that most of the people on this forum still believe.....amazing!
Still, we live in hope, 600 years ago most of the world believed the earth was flat. Of course, were to sophisticated to believe that now, aren`t we? HA! 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author Jackie 
Date Created 08/08/2005 05:15:25 
Message F, i notice that you are quite happy to quote passages fronm the bible, yet, you decry other peoples religious books. What is your rationale for believing the bible is correct and everyone else`s creed is wrong?
As for your quoting of Scientists who are believers, so what? Because they are Scientists and clever people, what makes you think that they add weight to your argument? Did you know that 90% of people in US jails profess belief in a deity and only 10% say they are atheists? Does this mean that I should immediately believe god botherers are more inclined to crime than atheists?
As for Albert Einstein, what about these quotes -

Albert Einstein

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."

"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."

-Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

or Abraham Lincoln -
Abraham Lincoln

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

- Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).

As for the statement made by Darwin, well, back then, the "Theory of Evolution" was brand new and just that, a theory. Now, we have the proof that Darwin had theorised about. I will quite happily quote you chapter and verse the Scientists and their proofs, if you would like.
As for gallileo and Copernicus, well, we know that the church cheered them on when they had the temerity to suggest that maybe the Earth wasn`t the centre of the Universe. Did you also know that until the "Council of Nicea"
I will reply further as I`m having computer troubles and want to make sure I don`t loose this prior to posting.
 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author Jackie 
Date Created 08/08/2005 05:45:31 
Message As for the Council of Nicaea, I`m REALLY glad you raised that! Do you know why it was called? In it`s essence, it was to determine the veracity of the "god head" and to get all the clerics going in the one direction, not with proof you understand, just to be "press ganged" into agreement. There were many god botherers who didn`t make it home to their particular sees. Also, it was where they made christ official church canon! In other words, he was made a true, historical figure! Again, not with proof, with bullying, mind you, that is the normal chuch way, so, no surprise there! All Constantine wanted was a divine "Get OUT of Gaol Free Card". He was a cynical man worried for his immoratal soul,HA! It is a pity that there isn`t a hell in the case of bas..rds like him, hitler, stalin, kramer, sprenger and pol pot.They just get oblivion like the rest of us.
You are correct in one respect, belief in a god has remained constant.I believe we are wired to believe. Just like when we are scared the hairs on the back of stand up,as a throw back to when we had to watch for something to eat us. We need the warmth and comfort of a benevolent, all seeing carer who will look after us. If that makes you happy, thats great, however, it`s not rational when observed objectively. The point I was trying to make when I gave the example of the flat earth was that just because we don`t know how something works now, doesn`t mean that we should ascribe magic to the cause. In a hundred years we may know how the "cosmic egg" formed.
I assume, please correct me if I`m wrong, that you are of the protestant or baptist point of view on christianity? If so, why do you think your version is more valid than the catholic version. Further than the mormons, seventh day adventists,etc? Objectively, your point of view is as valid, or not, as theirs. As old as the belief in christ maybe, the ancient Egyptian`s believed for a much longer time in their Pantheon. So, what will the popular view of religion be in a Thousand years? Like all fairy stories, it will evolve and move on.
You seem very keen on quotes, here are a few of my favourites -

Galileo Galilei

"They know that it is human nature to take up causes whereby a man may oppress his neighbor, no matter how unjustly. ... Hence they have had no trouble in finding men who would preach the damnability and heresy of the new doctrine from the very pulpit."

-Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer

George Bernard Shaw

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

James Madison, American president and political theorist (1751-1836).
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, Famous Atheist & Quotessuperstition, bigotry, and persecution."
"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people."
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

 
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 10/08/2005 09:39:04 
Message Jackie: I do agree with quite alot of what you say, for example the beginnings of certain religions and the power hungry. Overall though we have different perspectives on religion. Re the different factions of christianity, - it does not matter which faction we belong to, so long as there is a belief. I think the crucial point is whether one has belief or not, and not about which church we attend.
It can never be proved that there is a God or that there is not, so it is entirely a matter of belief.
For me, a belief in God is more credible than a belief in science. Consider how views on science are constantly changing. Consider now that the post-modernists are questioning on whether science is objective at all. Experiment, statistics and observation are always open to interpretation. God is the only thing in the universe and entire cosmos that is unchanging, unlike science.
Having studied the major religions, I find christianity to be the best, ie. it has the edge on all others. Islam does not act on which it preaches,(I could write a book on that).
Hinduism has the false gods and idols Buddhism does not acknowlede God. Confucionism etc., also have aspets which I find difficult. Regardless of what we all believe, there is one God over us all, and that is what counts most.  
 
 
Topic Re: You People 
Author Jackie 
Date Created 11/08/2005 06:09:46 
Message A god Maureen, a god.
Remember it was baal,osiris,isis,etc. prior to yahweh and jesus.
No, as I`ve said before, just because we don`t at this time know how the Universe came into being, doesn`t mean that we`ll never know. To say the Universe came into being because of magic is a cop out.It is the excuse of primitives who didn`t have the technology to realise that the Sun didn`t disappear because some super man was upset with them.
Recommended reading for you Maureen, "christianity, an Ancient Egyptian religion" by Ahmed Osman. The people who were deciphering the heiroglyphs in Egypt were saying to one another "Hang on, where have we seen this before?" In the bible! Maureen The trinity(Horus, Osiris and Isis), the "god sacrifice", it`s all there. It is the arrogance of people who think there version of the "great scam" is any more valid than the ancient Babylonians, the Egyptians or the Mayans for that matter. What about hindus? You want parallels to christianity, have a look at the stories involving arjuna. I`ve said before, everyone can`t be right. You can`t say we all worship the one god because to moslems at least, jc was a prophet, not the sun of god and the jews are still waiting for "it" to appear. So lets not have this trite rubbish that we all worship the one god.
No, my original reason for getting involved on this site was to try and say that an Education system should not be based on Fairy Stories. If people think that appealing to the eather fulfills some inner need, thats fine. I just want children to have the opportunity to experience freedom and free thought especially in the formative years of their early childhood.  
 
 
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