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Forum Muslim Schools 
Topic Clash of Ignorance 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 04/04/2004 11:25:11 
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Clash of Ignorance

Kilroy was airing views of racist elements in British society. His column was an idiotic rant. The West as it exists today is the product of Islamic science, civilisation, culture and learning. Western history is related to Islam. Westerners are not well informed about history. It is not just Robert Kilroy-Silk who rants against Arab culture and Muslim faith. Prejudice against Islam has become a disease and attacks on Masajid and Muslim cemeteries are now routine. His comments highlight the irrational bases of racism. Muslims are victimized under the cover of ongoing war against terrorism through out the world. One of the teacher’s unions, ATL regards Muslim schools as Osama bin Laden Academies.

Cradles of civilization are firmly rooted on Arab lands. Throughout the long centuries when Europe was plunged in its Dark Ages, Arabs preserved, enriched and transmitted great scientific culture upon which West could build. Kilroy has only reflected a commonly held view about Arab Muslims. It has been the daily portrayals of Arabs in all sorts of media, schoolbooks and history books are full of anti Arab Muslims.

The native Britis needs to be educated about Islam. Muslim children also need to be educated about Islamic history, otherwise, they will be cut off from their cultural roots. We have already lost three generations and the fourth one is in the process of loosing its Islamic Identity. State schools are slaughter houses for the Muslim children. According to a new report the National Curriculum is racist. It failed to motivate or interest pupils because it did not provide enough positive role models. The curriculum needs to be more balanced and less Eurocentric. Pupils grow up thinking there is no other playwright than Shakespeare. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to learn Standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to learn Arabic to study and understand the Holly Quran. The children from the sub-continent need to learn Urdu language to keep in touch with their cultural roots. Most of Islamic literature and poetry is in Urdu.

The Islamic contribution to world civilization is completely ignored by the National Curriculum. The leading civilization between 8th and the 18th centuries on the planet in terms of spread and creativity was Islam. It is not exaggeration to say that the European Renaissance, and therefore, most of modern science, was based to a large extent on Arab scholarship. The cultural and scientific legacy of the Arabs, through the Moors, is massive and has been long over looked. The Moors kindled and kept alive the flame of knowledge in Spain for centuries at a time when the Dark Ages had expunged it elsewhere. When the Moors were driven from Spain they left behind vast knowledge, despite a public mass burning of the libraries. Islam is portrayed in the negative and confrontational context of the Crusades. The Crusaders came to know Islam’s civilisation, sciences and literatures and some learned the language of the local people. The clergy did not like those returning from the East praising aspects of the Islamic civilisation and Islamic ethics and expressing their admiration for the science and culture of the Muslims. Islam and West view one another with mistrust and suspicion. A historian might say they always have. Now it has entered a new phase.

Islam is the Britain’s second religion. Paki-bashing is in full swing by British education system, politicians, media and every Tom and Harry. Muslim pupils as well as teachers are victim of physical and verbal abuse but the authorities try to hide every thing under the carpet. Recently a teacher in Peterborough tore off Muslim pupil’s scarf and told her that Islam is all a “big joke”. I find lot of British teachers discouraging Muslim girls to wear hejab. There is a social and economic pressure on Muslim women not to cover themselves. Muslim teachers have no right to take time off to perform Friday obligatory prayers in the Masajid. France, Belgium and Germany are in the process of banning Muslim girls covering their heads in state schools. Offensive prejudice against Muslims and the spread of idiotic stereotypes of Muslims beliefs, have been developing at a frightening rate since 9/11. There is no alternative left for the Muslim community but to have Muslim schools with Muslim teachers. There are hundred of state schools with Muslim majority. In my opinion all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools.
Iftikhar Ahmad

Topic Re: Clash of Ignorance 
Author nigel foster 
Date Created 15/04/2004 01:02:47 
Message Lots more special pleading by Islam.... this is a secular society that is pleased to tolerate many communities. Yours is but one.

I must make two points.

First, you demand special consideration (including imported Imams) for UK students of Pakistan origin but make no mention of recent terrorist arrests (of UK people of Pakistan origin). This is very worrying.

Second, if I go to another country, I try to respect the culture of that land. Should Muslims not do the same?

Topic Re: Clash of Ignorance 
Author Alun 
Date Created 02/05/2004 16:21:39 
Message What justification do you have for calling Islam a religion of peace ? Consider the history. Mohammad started with raids on camel trains – showing an obvious respect for other peoples’ property - in AD623 and built up to the complete massacre of the Beni Quarayzah tribe in AD627, not to mention the plundering of other tribes to build up his own war chest and keep the loyalty of his followers. If that’s following the word of a god, I’ve known small children with a better approach to morality.

There’s also the question of his rather dubious – to our eyes – marriage to the underage girl Aisha, plus the convenient Surah Al-Ahzab that uniquely allowed him to take more than four wives. Funny that came to him at just the right moment…

Islam, just like every other religion, is a creation of man. How about some sensible debate about the actual ‘truth’ of Islam - as we’ve been free in the West to have for the last century or more about the more supernatural claims of Christianity ? Muhammad was certainly a fascinating and truly important human being in a historical context, but look closely in a rational way at his biographical details and he comes across as a mixture of David Icke, Shakespeare and a fascist demagogue:

- Radical, life changing -religious visions – not a monopoly of Islam
- An amazing command of language and insights into the human condition
- A drive to ruthlessly exterminate all those not with him – and make second-class citizens of those who didn’t fight back. On top of that, there’s an apparent ability in him to switch arbitrarily between brutality and torture and forgiveness and feasting – a common psychological trick used by both interrogators, the military and abusive parents to increase dependence.

So much of the recent debate about ‘true’ Islam sounds nothing more than a reprise of those endless debates throughout much of the last century about the difference between ‘real’ Communism and the repression and purges that particular faith brought to the world.

Can someone please explain to us exactly what ‘real’ Islam is ? Just like the Bible, the Koran seems to be interpretable in any way that the reader wishes. Unlike the Bible however, the Koran is supposed to be the direct word of a god – why then is it so open to interpretation ?

Yes, what we all recognise as the divine is incredibly important to human beings, but as soon as anyone claims a monopoly on it, watch out is the lesson of history ! We’ve seen enough grief in this country thanks to religion to instantly distrust anyone claiming to represent the true ‘true’ religion.

If someone wants to believe in fairies – or indeed Djinns – that’s up to them. Just don’t expect the secular West to respect you for it. Far more important is how you live your life – not what religion you chanced to be raised in or converted to.

Why doesn’t the Muslim Council of Britain or anyone sponsor a debate at which issues of apparent historical record – such as the early bloody history of Islam or the ‘truth’ of the Old Testament - can be reconciled with the reasons that people have for believing in Islam and the very rosy view of it that you seem to present ?

As a secular Westerner who would be treated at very best as a second class citizen in an Islamic state, perhaps you can understand my questions…?
Topic Re: Clash of Ignorance 
Author lea786 
Date Created 18/05/2004 22:20:23 
Message maybe on this occasion iftikhar was too harsh, he should, like the rest of us respect all other people, muslims and non muslims, if people want to say bad about muslims, then it is their problem, as a muslim, we SHOULD NOT BACK BITE and complain about others, a slaughter house is too drastic way to term the schools, i know many schools, where everyone is equal.

in islam we are all equal, only ALLAh has the right too judge, so how can we say bad and causoffence to others, this should be comon knowledge we are on an islamic site, everything should be fact,  
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