189 vistors today, 347 pages shown     
Welcome ! Login **** PLEASE NOTE : To post messages, you are now required to Register/Login ****
Original Message
Forum Muslim Schools 
Topic Crime Against Humanity 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 03/12/2004 23:38:22 
Message Established 1981
London School of Islamics
An Educational Trust
63 Margery Park Road London E7 9LD
Email: info@londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
Tel/Fax: 0208 555 2733 / 07817 112 667

Crime against Humanity

To deprive a Muslim child from his/her culture and language is a crime against Humanity. Children of minority communities have the right to enjoy their own culture and to practice their own religion and language. British Muslims have been denying such rights in the field of education. Education shall aim at developing the child’s personality, the talents, mental and physical abilities to the fullest extent. Education shall prepare the child for an active adult life in a free society and foster respect for the child’s parents, his or her cultural identity, language and values. UK Government is a signatury of this convention and has an obligation to comply with this convention under UK Law.

It is absurd to say that Muslim community should demonstrate “Englishness”. They can’t. But they can be and are British. Curriculum does not reflect their needs and demands. The relationship between native teachers and Muslim children generally characterized by “conflict and fear”. We have lost three generations and fourth one is in the process of loosing its linguistic, Religious and cultural Identity. Respect and tolerance of different religions, cultures and languages are essential for positive community cohesion. Community cohesion is not just about attitudes and values. It means tackling basic inequalities at the same time. We cannot hope to have a cohesive community if some sections are so disadvantaged that they have no hope of securing a real stake in society.

The solution of all those problems is state-funded Muslim schools. More and more people are coming round to the view that an Islamic school is the best choice for their children because it strengthens and maintains their children’s faith and practice of Islam, but also offers the best chance of academic success, as GCSE results continue to confirm. Today the Muslim community is faced with situations where the morality and education is declining in schools and their children are being exposed and being entrapped into a way of life which is un-Islamic. According to a recent survey, nine out of ten Muslim parents would like to send their children to state funded Muslim schools.

The first wave of Muslims used English as an economic language and still it is not used as a social and emotional language. English could become social and emotional language if Muslims start moving in and around pubs, indulge in binge drinking, visiting night clubs and frequently changing partners. This is what the British establishment want them to be an integral part of the British society. Islam is a maker of Identity and belonging rather than a system of belief. The Imams from the sub-continent are well versed in Urdu, Arabic, and Persian on top of their mother tongue: Punjabi, Bengali or Gujrati and other regional languages. They come here to serve the spiritual, social and emotional needs of the Muslim community in their own languages. Urdu is a literary, social and emotional language of the Muslims from the sub-continent, Arabic is their religious language and English is for economic activity and prosperity.
Iftikhar Ahmad

Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Romesh Chander 
Date Created 10/12/2004 23:54:12 
Message Nobody is denying muslim children of their muslim education; just pay for the schooling out of your own pocket. Everybody pays taxes for public schools, whether one has 1 child, 50 children or no children at all. Similarly, everybody pays for education in public univesity, whether one attends it all or not, whether one gets PHD there or does post-doctoral research or gets an MD.

So quit crying; quit complaining; pay your taxes; and send your children to your private islamic schools and pay them out of your pocket (if you value Islam so much, then make sacrifices yourself; don't ask me to sacrifice me for your beliefs).

After your children graduate (!) from Madrassahs, don't ask me to give them any job either (not even cleaning floors in a factory), because they will not qualify for any kind of job except to fight for Jehad in Chechnya.

If you want real islamic children, then send them to Cairo, Egypt or Mecca/Medina in Saudi Arabia (May be, they will start Jehad to overthrow King Fahd and Hosni Mubarak).

But just stop complaining. Because nobody is listening to you.

Your arguments don't make any sense; they don't any human logic; they may have an Islamist's logic, but then only Islamists are convinced by them, nobody else. 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author donvan 
Date Created 13/12/2004 21:21:22 
Message Greetings, contrary to the absurd assertion that the State has the obligation to advance Mohammedism, we heed to erase all vestiges of this savage, barbaric, enslaving political philosohy from every public discourse. Rescuing children from these pathologic serial killers is a noble and moral
effort.Mohammedians claim rights they do not have, demand
special rights others do not get,and complain and whine like spoiled children if their imagined "Rights" are infringed. Islam is the greatest crime against humanity
since Hitler and Stalin, worse because islam enslaves
in the name of god...
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Fraser Pearce 
Date Created 21/12/2004 12:57:21 
Message Iftikhar

I have genuinely enjoyed reading your undoubted sincere and passionate views. I do not know whether this has been apparent but I agree with much of what you seem to be aspiring to. Where we do differ, I feel, is much of the motivation behind these aspirations.

In my two previous responses to your postings on www.wandsworthtown.com, I have sought answers to some of the challenging issues you have raised. Few of my questions have been answered. You have alleged “racial discrimination”, “institutional racism” and “Islamophobia” yet sadly seem to often counter them with sweeping comments, many of which may themselves be considered racist. In response to some of your comments my postings have asked the following questions:

- “Where's the empirical evidence [of institutional racism in British schools]?”

- “Where does the greatest responsibility for ‘poor behavior management’ reside, school or home?”

- “How can a black or Muslim ethnic community alienate itself in a community when it is not in fact a minority?”

- “What ‘balanced education’ will children receive in a state-funded Muslim school?”

- “If Urdu and Arabic are part of a child’s ‘cultural roots’, why aren’t these being learnt in the home?”

- “Surely something as basic as a common language would go a long way to eradicate ‘marginalisation and alienation’?”

- “What do you mean by ‘Muslim leadership’? Is this an official body?”

- “Who is this “Muslim leadership”? Who does it represent (certainly not all British Muslims) and is it elected? How representative is it of the sexes and Muslims of different nationalities?”

- “Are you really advocating separate development [for Muslim children]?”

- “What language then do you expect a UK school to reflect?”

- “If Muslim children are missing out then doesn’t the blame equally reside at home, a home that may not have adequately equipped its children for a life in the UK?”

- “In the ‘hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority,’ what will happen to the non-Muslim minority if these schools were designated ‘Muslim community schools to be managed and controlled by Muslim Educational Trust and Charities’?”

- “Are Muslim schools going to exclude non-Muslim pupils? If so, would they then be guilty of being “institutionally racist”?”

The above questions were all genuine attempts at understanding, trying to elicit an honest response. I feel, however, you have avoided many of the questions prompted by your statements and sometimes even resorted to racist arguments. Do you think it helps or hinders your arguments, for example, in saying:

“English could become social and emotional language if Muslims start moving in and around pubs, indulge in binge drinking, visiting night clubs and frequently changing partners. This is what the British establishment want them to be an integral part of the British society”?

No prejudice there then! You also seem to be drawing a distinction between Muslims and “British society”. Are Muslims not British too or do they possess some elevated or subjugated status? You mention “native teachers and Muslim children”! How many generations will it take for you to consider Muslim children as English natives? Can only non-white immigrants be Muslim?

You talk of “denying rights”. The concept of rights is balanced by one of responsibilities. Surely part of the loss of “three generations” is down to people not taking the responsibility upon themselves to integrate? So, Muslims have not integrated/been integrated properly for three to four generations, and we’re left with a situation of misunderstanding, “conflict and fear”? Is that really a surprise? After three of four generations, why are imams still being imported from the sub-continent? Are British-born Muslims so inferior to their brothers and sisters in other countries that religious leaders have to be flown in?

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenants on Human Rights promote and protect the rights of women and those with minority beliefs: all should be equal before the law. To “deprive a Muslim child from his/her culture and language” would be wrong, but it would not be a crime against humanity. Your point also depends on how you define the child’s culture and language though, doesn’t it? Surely after three generations the least one could expect is for Muslims to speak English and identify with British culture. The fact that for many this isn’t the case is the perhaps the real issue.

How about Muslim immigrants then trying giving it a go, integrating more, taking part in the ‘British’ community, rather than an introverted and closed ‘Muslim’ community, and see if that helps the non-Muslim understanding? If much what you say is true, the current situation simply isn’t working.

Furthermore, surely the most basic element of integrated ‘Britishness’ is the ability to speak English and, in so doing, sharing a common national language? Likewise, surely the most basic element of an integrated sub-continent country is to speak Punjabi, Bengali or Gujrati? This is quite different from your assertion that, “It is absurd to say that Muslim community should demonstrate ‘Englishness’”. Who has suggested the Muslim community should demonstrate ‘Englishness’? I certainly didn’t.

Some of your comments also seem to imply a Muslim moral superiority or British inferiority, as though non-Muslim Britons are automatically immoral. Can a non-Muslim be moral? What of the Prophet’s father, was he not a moral man? Abdullah wasn’t a Muslim but still echoed God in his name.

And this is what I feel to be the core of your possible misconception. You say, “Islam is a maker of Identity and belonging rather than a system of belief”. Go to Fulham Broadway tube station on a Saturday and you’ll see lots of people in blue shirts asserting their identity and sense of belonging. Let’s face it, Chelsea football supporters are highly ritualistic.

How can Islam then not be a “system of belief”? Are you advocating a secular Islam? I feel you are automatically associating faith in God (itself shared by many religions) with Muslim religious dogma (restricted to the Islamic world) and national culture (differing from country to country). Did the Prophet speak Urdu? Ask an Egyptian what Punjabi has to with Islam and you’ll get puzzled looks. Did the Prophet even pray in mosques with minarets? Islamic culture adapted to the parent culture in which it found itself - it gave, it took and thrived in the process. I fear we in Britain, however, will witness increased “conflict and fear” as long as some Muslims choose to stay on the periphery, to live in a little piece of Pakistan transported to Mile End.

What I fear you are advocating then is Muslim schools based on sub-continent/Arab nationalism. The message revealed to the Prophet, however, was presumably universal, transcending tribe, nation, era and pigmentation. This was the point in my previous posting when questioning the concept of “Islamic values”. What may be considered Islamic values to someone in Pakistan may not be considered so in Turkey, Syria, Egypt or Afghanistan. Female castration, for example, is only accepted by the school of Islam that colonised areas where female castration already existed.

What then of Islamic values? The Prophet told us to educate ourselves. Is the loss of three generations really the mark of people who have taken the Prophet at his word? People will not educate themselves by retreating into themselves, even it is into state-funded Muslim schools. If Muslims born in Britain want to learn the language of their family, surely it makes sense to do so in the home. Educational resources are rationed. With over 100 languages spoken in London’s schools, imagine how fragmented London society would be if every minority adopted the strategy you are calling for!

Our education budget is limited - extremely so. In an ideal situation, every minority could have schools pandering to the needs of that minority. But we don’t. Upholding the right to education therefore requires compromise and catering for the largest majority. The common denominator is British schools, teaching in English. Why should Muslims have special treatment over any other of the myriad minorities in the UK? This is actually a rather self-centred desire, believing Muslims require special treatment above and beyond the needs of the greater majority. If parents don’t like the mandate of the state school, there are private options or teaching at home. Of course not everyone can afford these, but that is the point: the publicly funded system must be for the majority, since it is funded by the majority.

“Declining morality” in schools is not just something that is affecting Muslims – it is affecting all students, religious or irreligious. It is a common problem, not a specific one. The answer is to use public money to fix the public problem, not to segregate and create resentment. 9 out of 10 Muslim parents may well wish to have a Muslim school. I should imagine 9 out of 10 Jewish, Hindu and Christian parents would as well… That, however, does not translate into a right.

One thousand years ago Islam led the world in philosophy, mathematics, literature, astronomy and religious toleration. This was because Muslims adapted to the times, led by example and actively sought to export this example on its own merits, not by coercion or vocal insularity. Muslims are all too often now not adapting to the times or the place they choose to live. Is this because they are Muslim or because they choose to physically leave a ccountry for Britain yet choose to stay outside of the British mainstream?

Why do you want to replace an intellectually atrophied and morally impaired mainstream with an intellectually atrophied and morally impaired subculture? This insularity wasn’t always the predominant Muslim mindset. Simply blaming British culture is the easy option.

To conclude, I fully agree with you when you say, “Respect and tolerance of different religions, cultures and languages are essential for positive community cohesion.” Perhaps, in current times, this is more necessary than ever. Such respect and tolerance must be reciprocal. We must strive to harness the best of Islamic and non-Islamic cultures – this is the way to a “cohesive community”. Separate development, however, will only lead to greater separate development.

As usual Iftikhar, I don't expect you to respond. What are you scared of?
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Romesh Chander 
Date Created 22/12/2004 03:45:56 
Message Fraser Pearce:

Do Catholics in UK insist on that their children must learn Latin? Do Jews in UK insist that their children must learn Hebrew / Yiddish? Do Hindus in UK inist that their children must learn Sanskrit, Hindi, Gujrati, Tamil, Telegu, Mallyalam, Bengali, Kannada, etc? Why do muslims from Paki region insist on that their children must learn Urdu!! Do Muslims from Bengal insist that their children must learn Bengali? Do Pathans in UK insist that their children must learn Pashto / Dari / Persian?

What is wrong with muslim from Paki region?!!! Don't they know that they are in Europe now. To survive, they must learn languages which are used for universal communication; Are Urdu / Arabic used for universal communication. Funny, Itfikar does not include Sindhi for education. Why not? Is that not one of the Paki languages?

Itfikar is an Islamist, an Islamic extremist, a Koran-Head and totally irrational (a hallmark of a fanatic muslim); the best thing for him is to shut up and spend his time in reciting koran till he goes to heaven (or hell).

Fraser, the best is to ignore these muslims altogether. If they don't like studying English exclusively, then let their children stay home and recite koran, become koran-heads or koranists. UK government has no special obligation to them for their education.

Muslims have become cry-babies. I say, let them cry till they become blind from tears. Even if there were tons of money available, I will not spend one pence on educating them in their languages or giving one pence for their islamic schools. If they want Islamic ghettoes, let them go to Karachi and Lahore; there are plenty of islamic ghettoes there; these Pakis cannot recognise opportunities even if it were obvious to them. Why the hell, these muslims migrate to Europe in the first place? Probably, one of those blunders of European countries, for which they will dearly over the next 100 years.

Allah does not feed anybody; you have to feed yourself. God helps those who help themselves -- which simply means, that God does not help anybody; you are responsible for yourself. 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Dr UCL 
Date Created 04/01/2005 09:24:26 
Message Hiya,

Hey Romesh, what's your problem man? you're trying to convince people Iftikhar's off his head but you guys seem to have that in common. Yes his views are extreme but so are yours to an extent. So he thinks it's good to be bilingual, so what's the problem? I agree and don't think the taxpayer should pay for kids to learn their mother tongue but this opportunity is available in a lot of schools.

I am from a Bangladeshi background and though I speak a colloquial form of I erally hate the fact I can't read the language nor can express myself fully to my parents and relatives. I am married to an English woman and we're expecting a baby soon and am scared that my children will have a problem communicating with their relatives, including my mother. This isn't the problem of the taxpayer in general but my very own concern whihc I will have to address myself.

Bilingualism is a skill and should be encouraged. I read a ercent article recently on how it develops the mind at a young age too. However ,it's abit stupid to expect this in the UK. Mr Pearce made a pertinent comment on what else do we expect the UK schools to use as a medium?

I'l end it here.

Take care.

Warm regards,

Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Romesh Chander 
Date Created 05/01/2005 05:48:41 
Message DR UCL:

I don't know what kind of Doctor you are? But your post shows the education of a high school flunky.

Yes, bilingualism is important. May be one should learn multiple languages which a person likes and will be useful in life, not for the sake of communicating with a few relatives, who may be dead in a few years (or one may decide not to live with them at all).

But what kind of languages you should study?. You want your baby to communicate with your mother. Fine. Should that be the sole reason for studying a language; I don't expect your baby will live with your mother for the rest of life.

Why can't your mother learn some English; after all, she lives in UK (I am assuming here). Why do you want to make decisions for your child which languages should he/she should learn? doesn't the child have any interests of own; should child not satisfy his/her oen curiousities. May be your child will hate learning any foreign languages and will prefer learning Chemistry or Mathematics or Engineering.

Seems, educated people from Asia do not learn anything from the societies they move in. Man, you live in UK now, not in Bangladesh. I doubt your english wife knows anything about Bengali (and even cares to know anything either). Does your wife have no say in what education your child will get? Well, a typical muslim, will always look down a woman, even though they live in a non-muslim country. Can't expect much from a Muslim.  
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author whyallthistalk 
Date Created 23/01/2005 12:53:13 
Message This is a british country with british culture. It is now becoming multi-cultural which is fine.

BUT If YOUR community demands a school teaching YOUR faith/tradition then YOUR community should pay for that.
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Romesh Chander 
Date Created 23/01/2005 13:44:16 
Message Whyallthistalk:

That is exactly what I have been arguing about. You want to study your asiatic mother tongue or arabic, you pay for it. After all what good is asiatic language in UK/Europe?

And let these jokers cut the nonesense of Crime Against Humanity -- hell, I don't find any raving and ranting by muslims on this website on the crimes committed by Sudan (a fundamentalist muslim government) on people of Darfur (also muslim people of Sudan). Why not? Are'nt people of Darfur part of Humanity. Probably, according to fundamentalists, they are not. How much help rich Arabs sent to muslms of Indonesia in their recent tidal wave disaster? just a pittance. May be these muslims of Indonesia are not human beings.  
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author jordan 
Date Created 31/01/2005 15:35:17 
Message If they live in the UK, then they should go through the english education system like everyone else. They're not muslim kids living in England, they're British kids who happen to be muslim. Their national and social identity should be english, not somewhere in the middle of the desert in a country they'll probably never see.
More than likely, they are taught arabic and urdu at home by their family; there is no need for them to be formally educated in those languages. There's no other religious/cultural minority that receives a seperate state education, why should muslims be any different? It's not the states job to culturally educate them, it's their families job. If they feel "culturally cut-off", that's their families failing.
As for being "deprived", move them to Afghanistan and see how "deprived" they are there.
You have no idea how good you've got it.

Quite frankly, your opinion is a load of complete separatist bollocks.
Please take your religious angst elsewhere 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 18/02/2005 23:50:15 
Message I am a non-Muslim in fact a practising Anglican. I can see your point of view about Muslim children and their education etc., Have a look at my reply to your statement in the Nottingham evening post website. Briefly I suggested that the govt. funding Muslim schools is not likely to happen. I suggested you could lobby for a Muslim teacher to each as an extra subject in the normal govt. schools, and financed by the govt. I also spoke of difficulties with this, concerning Hindu and Buddhist children, ie. are they also not entitled to the service of a special teacher, and asked how this problem (from a Muslim perspective) could be overcome.
I would consider it the duty of Muslim parents to educate their children on their cultural issues.
I do not agree with some of the respondents to your statement. As I see it, Islam has been wrongly interpreted by some of it's own leaders. and this unfortunately is also the case with Christianity. After all, there is only one God and many paths to heaven. 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Free Way 
Date Created 25/02/2005 17:05:57 
Message To Maureen Davies, and Muslims

Christians and Muslims do NOT serve the same God. There is only one way to heaven and this is through Yahshua, the Son of Yahweh, unless of course you want to go to Allah's brothel (one of wine and perpectual virgins) but you would need to be patted on the back with Allah's right-hand (predestination) or be a Jihadist.

Read the preface to your KJV Bible and you will notice that the "christians of old" removed God's Name, which is Yahweh (YHWH), and replaced it with LORD. They also changed the title of Adonai (Master) to Lord, and wherever it was said to be Adonai Yahweh in the Scriptures they did not want to look the fool with Lord LORD so changed it to Lord God.
Note: Satan's ultimate deception is to get his name in place of God's, so by removing Yahweh he has fooled millions. The title Lord was originally given to Baal (known as Lord-Baal), the pagan religion of old. Today Christians still worhsip Baal traditions such as Christmas and Easter which were incorporated into Christianity by Constantine, founder of the Roman Catholic Church. He did not covert to Christianity but Christianised Baalism.

The Quran says there is no Ilah (God) except Allah...or was it Ar-Rahman the pagan god Mohammad first worshipped? We do NOT serve the same God. Mohammad patheticly plagiarised the Scriptures to fit his purpose. He was a rapist, mass murderer, liar, thief, assassin, terrorist, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia. He says the Scriptures are inspired by God yet has broken every single one of the 10 Commandments. One funny point to note is that Mohammad says one should not practice the evil of malignant witchcraft, Quran 113.003, yet he swears by Zodiacal Signs in Quran 085.005.

One can say Yahshua (Jesus) said we should live at peace with all men, but He also said we should not tolerate Evil, especially religion. He wants us in relationship with Father Yahweh.

If the Scriptures are true, which the Quran says it is, then the Quran is false because they are completely different. If the Scriptures are false then the Quran is false since they say the Scriptures are inspired by God. In other words the Quran is a lose-lose situation. The biggest hoax under the sun, which Mohammad also happens to swear by.

Qoute from www.prophetofdoom.net:
"Islam’s growth is attributable to three factors — all of which are related and none of which are good. Islam is based on submission, the repression of truth, and the imposition of dictatorial rule. As a result, all Muslims living in Islamic controlled countries are repressed. They live in intellectual poverty, economic poverty, social poverty, and religious poverty. Of the fifty least productive, least free, least enlightened, most repressive and most violent places to live on earth, 49 are Islamic. Only North Korea’s fundamental communism competes with Islamic repression and tyranny."

Islam must stay out of UK schools, all schools in that matter. 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 25/02/2005 22:49:45 
Message To FreeWay.
I thought all Christians, Jews and Muslims knew that there is only one God? I firmly believe that one God presides over all humanity, regardless of what religion they are. I have a problem with Buddhism in that they do not recognize a God. The God that Muslims pray to is the one and same as the one I pray to. Muslims call God Allah and that is the only difference. I agree with your comments on Mohammed, but he was their prophet and not God, and therefore not perfect.
As a christian, I think we have to be more tollerant of others beliefs, especially of the other two I mentioned, who agree on One God.
I am not advocating Islam per se. I have problems with it too, eg. their stance on women. I do think though, that to make a truly workable society, we have to "give" abit. In this case to appoint some Muslim teachers in govt. schools where the demand is there.  
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Romesh Chander 
Date Created 25/02/2005 23:24:57 
Message Freeway:

The virgins in Allah's heaven are made of plastic. 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Free Way 
Date Created 27/02/2005 15:22:30 
Message Thanks for your reply Maureen

Our God (Yahweh) is not their god (Allah). All one has to do is read the Quran and one will see that Yahweh is not Allah. In the Quran Allah is more concerned about Hell and punishment, and only mentiones his virginal heaven a few times, obviously we can see Mohammad's lust-filled heart with this because the Quran are his words. The Quran says that Allah will be personally involved in punishing those who are damned, he will do the punishing and terrorising. If you read the Scriptures Yahweh says He cannot be in Hell as Hell is defined as being seperated from Him. Those who are damned in a Christian sense will be eternally seperated from Him. The Quran never mentions that when Man goes to heaven they will be able to converse with Allah, instead Allah is in Hell doing his duties. From this we can see that Mohammad was abandoned as a child, he was so vengeful that he continually created verses to terrorise people and justify his terrorist actions against his own family and those who's possessions he coveted. His family was rich except ignored him. He was clearly abused, so the abused became the abuser.

To answer your question, yes there is only one God, His name is Yahweh. Through His Son Yahshua we have salvation. The Quran says that Jesus never truly rose from the grave and that the infidels have it wrong in that he was just a prophet, like Mohammad, and not the Saviour. As for the Jews, their only way to the Father is through Yahshua. If they don't accept that Yahweh came to earth as Yahshua then they won't be accepted into heaven. Jews see today's Christians as ungodly-religious (Yahweh hates religion!) people and not those of the Holy Scriptures, because in no way does a Jew think that God will endorse Christmas and Easter in His Scripture, which is true. This is why Christians are failing miserabley in convincing Jews to convert to Christainity, and today's Christians do not even use God's Name, which is Yahweh. And Sunday belongs to Baal, whereas Saturday is God's sabbath rest, actually from Friday evening to Saturday sunset.

John 14:5-21 is a key passage of Scripture to look at because Muslims refer to the Counselor (verse 16) as Mohammad, but only if they read the next verse they will find the Counselor is Yahweh's Spirit. Muslims have to use the Scripture to validate the Quran because they say the Scriptures are inspired by God. As I said in my previous post, either way they lose.

John 14:5-21 (taken from NIV)
5 "Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?" 6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. 15 If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever– 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."

From this we can see that Yahshua (Jesus) is the Saviour and only way to the Father, and the Counselor is Yahweh's Spirit, NOT Mohammad (take note Muslims). I do not have to collaborate on the Scripture passage because I believe it is all self explanatory.

Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

God is Yahweh, Yahshua is Yahweh, and the Spirit is Yahweh. Yahweh is the Father. The Word came forth from Yahweh, as too did His Spirit.

So on the subject of whether or not Muslims should have their own schools within the UK, or Islam should be taught, the answer is NO. And to add to that, UK schools should invite God (Yahweh) back so we can stop having disrespectful kids. And parents should be leading by example and teaching their children about God. We can toughen up on police but it will not help until we find the solution. The solution is simple, teach people the Way of Yahweh then they will not depart from it.

Maureen, please browse www.prophetofdoom.net and read what Graig Winn has put together. His online books are real eye-openers as well reading the online forums from Muslims. The last thing the UK needs is a large Muslim population. Blair took the UK to war against Islamic nations on Bush's lies, Muslims will retaliate for this because we are too scared to speak out against Islam as well as not reading what Muslims read. The terrorists shout "Allahu Akbar" before killing, this should be enough for us to study their religion, except the media, and society, keep believing the lies that Islam is a peaceful religion. Muslims do not want us to know the truth.

And the fact they mistreat woman, come on, that should be more than enough to say they do Satan's work and have nothing to do with the one and only true God, Yahweh.

May Yahweh bless you,
Free Way

Free Way 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Free Way 
Date Created 27/02/2005 20:53:07 
Message About the plastic legs, how scary is this verse?

Bukhari:V4B54N476-544 "The Prophet said, ‘In Paradise they will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Everyone will have two virgins who will be so beautiful and transparent the bones of their legs will be seen through their flesh.’" 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author ahmed 
Date Created 22/01/2007 17:46:04 
Message I agree with the last post. Islam is a religion of destruction and hate. 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author Sayed Ahmed 
Date Created 22/01/2007 18:02:41 

“Peace religion.” That’s been said of Islam. That’s a lie. Islam is a killing cult.

This cult has killer camps teaching young in particular how to murder non-Muslims, as stipulated in the Koran and taught by mosques’ clerics.

Now the FBI arrests a father and son “on charges of lying to federal agents about the son’s training at an al-Qaeda camp in Pakistan, where would-be terrorists pasted photos of high-ranking US political figures, including President Bush, on targets to learn to kill Americans,” reports Jerry Seper of The Washington Times.

Americans aware of the killing cult have sent daily warnings by every communication means available to warn the worldwide peace community that Muslims are committed to overthrow all non-Muslims.

All the while, such Muslim lying entities as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) continue with web site and other means to tell the world that Islam is a cordial religion.

Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Shintoism, Confucianism and Hinduism do not advocate killing those who disagree with their tenets. However, Islam teaches just that: slay the “infidels” — non-Muslims. Those Muslims cowardly enough not to slay the enemy must themselves be slain.

This is what is taught in Muslim killer camps. It is taught via textbooks with teachers. It is broadcast daily, for instance, via Palestinian Authority television. The youth of Muslim nations are indoctrinated to kill off those who do not line up with Allah and the Koran.

With the United States referred to as The Great Satan, America is a prime target for killing off. US leadership is at the top of the list.

Muslims are infiltrating local communities with their mosques and clerics, all of which can in a moment be turned into killing clinics. In fact, one non-Islamic woman reported attending a mosque where she overheard males conducting a secret meeting instructing their students to kill non-Muslims. They were speaking in Arabic, not thinking the visitor knew the language. But she does know the language and therefore discovered the intent of the gathering.

“Hamid Hayat, 23, and his father, Umer Hayat, 45, both U.S. citizens and residents of Lodi, Calif., were taken into custody over the weekend by FBI agents in Sacramento, Calif., after interviews and a polygraph examination.

“An FBI affidavit said Hamid Hayat admitted attending an al Qaeda training camp in 2003 and 2004, and the trainees were being taught to target "hospitals and large food stores" in the United States.

“The arrests, along with the related detention of two Muslim leaders in Lodi on immigration violations, are part of an ongoing FBI investigation into a possible network of al Qaeda supporters seeking to establish a cell operation in the Lodi area -- about 40 miles south of Sacramento, law-enforcement authorities said.

“The authorities also have confirmed that Islamic radicals are being trained at terrorist camps in Pakistan as part of a conspiracy to send hundreds of operatives to ‘sleeper cells’ in the United States. They said dozens of Islamic extremists already have been routed through Europe and Asia to Muslim communities in this country, based on secret intelligence data and information from terrorists and others detained by U.S. authorities.”

No wonder informed French and Danish voters voted NO against the newly formed European Union constitution. They fear the admittance of Turkey into the EU. Though Turkey boasts of being a totally secular nation, it’s a Muslim-based country that influenced EU to adopt a law stating anyone criticizing Islam can be jailed or worse.

No longer do we hear US President George W. Bush speak of Islam as a “peace religion.” His latest verbiage regarding the Muslims is that they believe in an “ideology that teaches hate.” That is fact. It is imperative that that kind of education continues to flow from every branch of the US government, including every school system.

In recent past, Muslims have been invited into school districts to educate faculty and administration concerning their religion being a “faith of peace.” Muslims students in some schools have even been provided prayer rooms where they can go to spread their prayer mats during a school day.

All this is ignorance maximum. It has to be put aside for the truth regarding this killing cult and its murder camps spread around the globe 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author moron 
Date Created 04/04/2007 21:37:15 
Message jews are the most fukn criminals ,but uk usa & europe are not behind too , natos are fuking their mothers in muslim countries afganistan iraq etc , fuk them all  
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author fdihmwyqtk 
Date Created 18/10/2007 00:17:27 
Message Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! isknbcvtevlbv 
Topic Re: Crime Against Humanity 
Author hansicat 
Date Created 29/03/2008 11:28:29 
Message "It is absurd to say that Muslim community should demonstrate “Englishness”. They can’t. But they can be and are British. Curriculum does not reflect their needs and demands. The relationship between native teachers and Muslim children generally characterized by “conflict and fear”. We have lost three generations and fourth one is in the process of loosing its linguistic, Religious and cultural Identity."

Then what was the idea of bringing the children here in the first place? If I moved to an Arabic country to live, I would expect to have to learn to fit in; part of that requires an adoption of the language and culture, and in many places by law, to change my religion.

In order to fit in, I would start by learning the language before I left my native shores. Once a newsagent in a rapidly changing ethnic area, I once served a man accompanied by his father. The younger man translated for him, and I asked him how long his father was visiting for. 'He's been living here for 24 years' was the reply. And he still couldn't speak a word of English.

So why, when Muslims move to this country, must we bend over backwards not just to try and integrate into ~their~ society rather than have them integrate into ours, but also meet their demands out of our pockets? This constant bleating does nothing to endear Muslims to the indigenous Brit who fears their own culture is being undermined.

Previous Page [ 1 ] Next Page
Home Articles Events Links Discussions My Portal Join Us Administration

Copyright (C) 2002