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Forum Muslim Schools 
Topic Pakistan - What is Iftikhar's opinion? 
Author Vandersar 
Date Created 30/12/2007 01:51:31 
Message Pakistan is one of the countries in the world with a massive Muslim population.
The state is controlled by Muslims, the schools are run by Muslims.
The students are in Islamic schools and are taught by Muslim teachers. The students therefore have everything that Iftikhar asks for: Muslim teachers, Bilingual teachers, teachers who teach according to Islamic beliefs. The schools are run in accordance with Islamic teachings.

Time and time again he spouts the same line for every issue that appears on this board...."This could have been avoided if....All of the above were true in Britain"

So Iftikhar - now that Pakistan is in the World's spotlight. Do you deny that even with all these things you ask for being in place...that there are honour killings in Pakistan, there are Muslims committing unislamic acts in Pakistan, that an ex-president was murdered for being female and liberal, that Christian churches were burnt in Faisalabad, that many of the children in Pakistan do NOT speak more than one language despite their teachers being bilingual or that oppression of non-Islamic schools is the norm.

You are a terrible advert for your faith and a hypocrite to boot. You are the type of person who the BNP and other xenophobic organisations use to give reason to their propaganda. You are arrogant and ill-informed. You have probably never been to a state school where Muslims are taught by Non-Muslims. You will damage the chances of respect and understanding that Muslims deserve and you should stop posting ridiculous comments on this website because you are doing more harm than you know.

Why not try actually reading what I wrote about Pakistan and explaining why you complain about Britain without taking Pakistan's situation into account. Why not read it and explain why the Pakistani school system still fails to avoid honour killings/Muslim conversions/rapes/murders etc.

 
      
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Topic Re: Pakistan - What is Iftikhar's opinion? 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 30/12/2007 21:38:09 
Message Salaam

Majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan and majority of Muslim children are from Pakistan. I live in London for the last 40 years. During that time I have observed and experienced that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades. The reason is that monolingual teachers are not capable of teaching English to bilingual Muslim children.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funde3d Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and otrher community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. There is a positive co-reation between language and culture. If the young generation of Muslim becomes monolingual than they would follow western culture. English culture consists of institutional racism, binge drinking, anti-social behaviour, drug addiction, teenage pregnancies and abortions. Muslim parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbarity.

Majority of Muslims do not regard 9/11, 7/7 and Glasgow Bombing as acts of heroism while those who drop bombs on cities from 30,000 ft killing hundreds and thousands of civilians and destroying whole towns are treated as heroes by the so-called civilised westerners.

Degrading women is more of a western proble. Women are protected in Islam.  
 
 
Topic Re: Pakistan - What is Iftikhar's opinion? 
Author Deanp 
Date Created 31/12/2007 18:01:17 
Message So you're not answering his questions again are you. 
 
 
Topic Re: Pakistan - What is Iftikhar's opinion? 
Author Vandersar 
Date Created 01/01/2008 04:35:55 
Message No he's not answering my questions - as per usual, he's skating around the points I made to suit his own agenda

Majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan and majority of Muslim children are from Pakistan. I live in London for the last 40 years. During that time I have observed and experienced that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades. The reason is that monolingual teachers are not capable of teaching English to bilingual Muslim children.
http://news.independent.co.uk/education/education_news/article2274475.ece

Monolingual teachers are perfectly capable of teaching bilingual children as this evidence shows. All children without English as a first language are at a disadvantage, the difference is in the attitudes of the ethnic communities. Education is not valued as highly in Muslim community, especially for girls. The onus is on the parents to change their attitudes. Indian families do not need bilingual teachers neither do Chinese families.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

All schools with large Asian intake offer Urdu or Arabic as community languages. Students from Asia, Eastern Europe or any other non-English speaking countries are given EAL lessons to help bridge the gap with their English. Muslim schools will increase isolation of Muslim community and compound racist attitudes. How will Muslim children ever respect/understand other ethnic groups if they are isolated from them? How will other ethnic groupd respect/understand Muslims if they are isolated from them?

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. There is a positive co-relation between language and culture. If the young generation of Muslim becomes monolingual than they would follow western culture. English culture consists of institutional racism, binge drinking, anti-social behaviour, drug addiction, teenage pregnancies and abortions. Muslim parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbarity.

Monolingualism leads to all of this? In Holland, many speak 2/3 languages and they have many of these problems.
Scandinavian countries have some of highest standards of living in world - These have largely monolingual culture.
Would you rather Muslims follow Pakistani culture? - Violence, corruption, institutional racism (against Christians and Whites) Of course, I understand that this is an unfair reflection of many Pakistani attitudes and people but if you're going to pigeon-hole my culture then I'll reciprocate.

Majority of Muslims do not regard 9/11, 7/7 and Glasgow Bombing as acts of heroism while those who drop bombs on cities from 30,000 ft killing hundreds and thousands of civilians and destroying whole towns are treated as heroes by the so-called civilised westerners.

No actually again you're wrong. There were massive anti-war protests in Europe and USA. Most people were against the war. Unfortunately these same civilians and towns had already suffered murders, oppression and Torture from Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. While I'm not saying I support bomb-dropping, I'm sure these Islamic states had dealt out a far greater amount of killings and pain before any bombs were dropped.

Degrading women is more of a western problem. Women are protected in Islam.

Are you denying that Muslim girls are married off at the age of 16, 17 , 18 and then fall pregnant? This is teenage pregnancy too. Women are protected in Islam but the protection presupposes the superiority of men. How can you say degrading women is a Western problem when they can reach the best jobs, earn higher wages, own property and choose their partners? Yes western women are more likely to fall pregnant take drugs, have abortions etc; however, you're forgetting that the vast majority AVOID these things without being owned by a man.  
 
 
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