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Forum Muslim Schools 
Topic multifaith schools 
Author andy merryfield 
Date Created 03/08/2005 10:40:07 
Message Iftikar does great miservice to teachers in Britain with broad statements like 'British teachers have no repect for Islam religion or muslim community'. I am sure that there are some or maybe even many of those teachers but I also know that there are many teachers who work very hard with their pupils to overcome stereotypes by recognising prejudices and seeking to counter them through education. Unlike Iftikar I welcome moves for multifaith schools as it is only in recognising, welcoming and celebrating ethnic differences, which includes religion, that we are able to emphasise our common value.There is only one race; the human race and we must work together to overcome the barriers and obstacles which hinder the life in an interdependent world.  
      
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Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author Iftikhar 
Date Created 03/08/2005 22:48:25 
Message Salaam

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslim community contribute for the economic, social and spiritual prosperity for the British society. It pays all sorts of taxes and is less burden on the social services. Inspite of that it suffers discrimination in all walks of life. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role model. They need to learn Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and to go for highier studies and research to serve humanity. They need to learn Arabic to recite and understand the Holly Quran. They need to learn Islamic Studies and History to develop Islamic Identity. The children from the sub-continent need to learn Urdu to keep in touch with their cultural roots and to enjoy the beauty of Urdu literature and poetry. 
 
 
Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author Jackie 
Date Created 04/08/2005 00:22:48 
Message Great, I`m all in favour of schools giving kiddies a good grounding in their ancestral backgrounds.I think they should be able to celebrate their ethnicity in a happy, unbiased,multi-racial society where all human beings are treated equally. Are we going to give them an unbiased education to go with that freedom? Don`t we owe that at the very least to all children, no matter their background? When were teaching kiddies about the bible/koran/torah in their "cultural" studies are we going to present them with the evidence for the veracity of the claims that these books where either dictaed by their god,written by their god or recorded by people who witnessed their god walking the Earth? If we want them to grow up happy and well adjusted, shouldn`t we be giving them both sides of the story? Shouldn`t we be saying - Here is the Geological evidence for Noah`s flood, Here is the site of the garden of eden, this is the book where roman historians record, chapter and verse, the life of jesus christ, This is the species of ant that spoke to solomon, Here is the very muddy puddle in which the sun sets nightly? We don`t expect children to accept that one and one is two without explaining why? Later on, that E=Mc2? Now, if your NOT going to do that, how can you be called an educational institution? An indoctrination institution maybe. Now, I see a lot wrong with public education and many improvements could be made, however, they still give a reasonably unbiased view of most subjects and they teach a curriculum, by and large, that has been developed by a range of people with differing views. Not everyone agrees, however, like Democracy, it is the best system we have at the moment.
No, if you were honest, you would have a charter that will lay down exactly what a child will be taught, what they won`t be taught and be montored to see that you stick to that charter. Then, there would be no misunderstanding and everyone would know where everyone else stands.
Sure, teach kiddies Arabic, French and Swahili, if they want. They should be taught as many languages as possible. Don`t use a lie to sell the proposition though. 
 
 
Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author Free Way 
Date Created 06/08/2005 22:04:11 
Message Jackie, you will like this website, www.wyattmuseum.com. And even secular scietists prove their was a great global flood at one time a few thousand years ago.

Democracy? Look at presidents of France, Holland, and UK. Even though the majority public strongly disagree they still say "nevertheless, we will still push for the European Union". The Bible does mention a one world government, and the world is slowly moving that way.

Iftikhar quote: "Muslim community contribute for the economic, social and spiritual prosperity for the British society." Abu Hamza (The Hook) never contributed to the economy but was at one point gaining 1,030.65 a week in benefits. He also preached violence and hatred, which does not do much for social and spiritual prosperity. 
 
 
Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author Jackie 
Date Created 07/08/2005 23:40:29 
Message I was trying to reply yesterday F, however, I couldn`t log in for some reason.
As for evidence of a world wide global flood a few thousand years ago, could you please supply me with some references? As I say, I am always open to looking at evidence.
To Abu Hamster getting benefits, blame the bleeding heart liberals who said that that we should be a multi-cultural and not a mult-racial society. You can only have one set of rules in a country or you will only have anarchy, can you imagine if every interest group had it`s own set of laws? I hope I don`t have to draw a picture.
As for democracy not being perfect,I never said it was. I said that it is a 100 miles in front of the next system. As for the Dutch and French Governments, if they really tick the people off enough and they get upset, they will still have chance to vote them out eventually. An option they wouldn`t have in a Dictatorship or Democracy.  
 
 
Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author Jackie 
Date Created 10/08/2005 00:48:39 
Message Just a slight change on that last post, read for Democracy, Theocracy in that last sentence. 
 
 
Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author MaureenDavies 
Date Created 03/09/2005 10:14:15 
Message I am in favour of muti-faith schools because it teaches children about all religions and cultures. Secular schools do not have this aim. It is vital that children learn in this way, to combat bigotry in the future.
As for secularists wanting proof of (God. the flood etc.,), It is by faith alone that we believe. The so-called scientific evidence for anything, changes with time, according to who is researching it, ie. from what perspective they are coming from. What I am saying is that scientific reasoning can only be viewed subjectively. All the scientific experimentation and the data resulting from it is always open to interpretation.
The only unchanging aspect of this universe is God, in whom I prefer to put my trust. 
 
 
Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author t.ali 
Date Created 24/10/2005 12:44:27 
Message hi, as an educationalist myself, teaching in a multi-cultural,multi-faith school i feel that as a practicing
Muslim, i could not send my child to this kind of school without a large input on my part, to give him a sense of pride in his faith which is constantly under attack even from those teachers who adhere to a somewhat distorted idea of multi-culturalism, the principle of 'everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.' if there was state funding and more support for the kind of faith based schools producing well, all-rounded individuals, then we would not be getting some 'sinc' schools with semi/unqualified
teachers teaching in these schools creating very narrow-visioned 'citizens.'

i can forsee sending my child to a Muslim school which has a 'good reputation,' the reason being, there is a fundamental difference between a faith and non-faith based school which is the belief in Divine Law. it leads to accountability which seems to have become an archaic word in the modern age.

one point i would like to make to Sister Iftikar is why is Urdu the only other option? surely Arabic is the international language of Islam.

i would also like to add that, it is brilliant working in a diverse school seeing the good relationship, friendship and beautiful understanding between the children i teach (11-16 year olds),but its not the childrens' prejudices we should be questioning but that of the adults they interact with on a day to day basis, (Teachers and parents). to be truly understanding of each other in this society we have to foster and nurture thses attidues within ourselves first. 
 
 
Topic Re: multifaith schools 
Author t.ali 
Date Created 24/10/2005 12:44:27 
Message hi, as an educationalist myself, teaching in a multi-cultural,multi-faith school i feel that as a practicing
Muslim, i could not send my child to this kind of school without a large input on my part, to give him a sense of pride in his faith which is constantly under attack even from those teachers who adhere to a somewhat distorted idea of multi-culturalism, the principle of 'everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.' if there was state funding and more support for the kind of faith based schools producing well, all-rounded individuals, then we would not be getting some 'sinc' schools with semi/unqualified
teachers teaching in these schools creating very narrow-visioned 'citizens.'

i can forsee sending my child to a Muslim school which has a 'good reputation,' the reason being, there is a fundamental difference between a faith and non-faith based school which is the belief in Divine Law. it leads to accountability which seems to have become an archaic word in the modern age. 
 
 
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